Tulsa County voters are likely to be asked to approve $600 million in public funding for a proposed $788 million Arkansas River project that would create a 12.3-mile lake and three linked islands.
"River development affects 42 miles of Tulsa County. I'm of the opinion the public funding should be a county tax," County Commissioner Randi Miller said.
Tulsa Stakeholders, a nonprofit group of six individuals, unveiled its plan to develop the river on Wednesday.
Tom Cooper, one the Tulsa Stakeholders' principals, said during the presentation that $100 million of the total project amount will be private funds, which will be a gift to the project with none of the investors profiting.
The remaining funds would include $88 million from the sale of energy from renewable energy sources that are proposed for the project, and $600 million would be from public funding.
"The specifics of this financing plan are up for discussion, but the stage is set to make The Channels a reality, to put Tulsa back on the map," he told the crowd.
After the presentation, Cooper said the group doesn't have the $100 million in private funds raised yet, but "we feel confident we can do it."
Miller said she cannot speak for the other commissioners, but if funding is sought from the county, there will likely be discussion about asking voters to reapprove the four-tenths of a cent that had been set aside for Boeing in Vision 2025. Even though there would be more money sought than the $350 million approved in Vision 2025 for Boeing, that extra portion of the sales tax could be extended to cover the needed amount, she said
Anyone who wants to donate to the private funding or participate in the project can contact the Tulsa Stakeholders through its Web site, cf,fgc TulsaChannels.com.
Spartan65- 09-07-2006
QUOTE (RAGE @ September 06, 2006 09:42 pm)
Dang you breaking it down for them on TN...
Let the group raise the $100 million first... After they raise the money, let the city go ahead with the vote when it comes down to it...
I dont think many people are going to make a move until the group shows the $100 million and the sponsors and then we can talk...
Well, yea... the group is obviously going to have to put up or shut up.
One of the above articles said something about an impounding dam. That's not just a linear dam along 21st Street, this is a, 18-foot wall that they are talking about building around the Arkansas River to keep it from flooding.
US Bureau of Mines definition: One in which tailings are collected and settled; also, a water-storage dam
Bonsecour- 09-07-2006
Why build something to utilize the river that will only cut it off from Tulsa? And I know I've been a little quiet in this topic for a while now, but here's my full opinion on this.
Why are you putting all of your tax dollars in one basket? There's East End, Cherry Street, Brookside, and so much else... and $800M for islands in the river?
How stupid can this honestly be? Instead of demolishing the refineries and simply building on top of those, they have to demolish everything in sight and THEN flood the whole city of Tulsa to have some rich folks living on the USS Tax Dollars Wasted. Furthermore, don't you just love this pork barel spending projects in the name of urban progress? You know there is a town south of downtown, whatever designates the line between urban and suburban Tulsa. South of Midtown folks are driving on these stupid little 2-lane arterials, worried about living in a town with exploding crime and bad schools, and the list goes on and on. Are good schools, clean streets w/o potholes, and low crime too much to ask for?
There was also a river masterplan that was praised for public input that already exists, and this has nothing to do with that masterplan. Now a bunch of private developers have gotten together to pose in front of the camera, take the public's money, and call themselves Tulsa stakeholders.
It's so brilliant I could almost laugh!
shane- 09-07-2006
It is kind of silly if it really will block the river like that... I liked the rendering with the project shifted from the islands to the west bank... Would look like Portland's South Waterfront district.
shane- 09-07-2006
By the way, did anyone else try to watch the Video on the website and just get 1 minute, 33 seconds of the word "imagine" with music in the background?
RAGE- 09-07-2006
Creek Nation Could Hold Keys To River Development In Tulsa
The Creek Nation and development within the Arkansas River in Tulsa.
News on 6 anchor Scott Thompson says the Creek Nation claims to have the rights to 100 miles of the Arkansas River.
Melvin Bevenue with the Muscogee Creek Nation: "The water, the rock, the sand, any mineral belongs to the Creek Nation." The tribe has held the rights to the river since 1852. It was part of a treaty signed by then-president Millard Fillmore.
The treaty allowed land not allotted to individuals to be retained by the Creek Nation. Since no one could build a homestead in the middle of the river, the Creeks kept control of this stretch of the Arkansas. "From water's edge, so many feet out, 80 percent of Riverside Drive is on Creek Nation land, legally."
The Creek Nation Casino in south Tulsa is on tribal land on the banks of the Arkansas River. Chief AD Ellis is confident the tribe will cooperate with developers. "What's good for the city of Tulsa is good for the Creek Nation."
The Creeks' claim to the river stretches from Cleveland, Oklahoma to Muskogee. After that, possession switches to the Cherokees.
Back in 2003, a floating casino couldn't stay docked at Webbers Falls without Cherokee tribal approval and without permission from the Creek Nation, plans for the Channels project could be sunk.
So far, the tribe's legal department tells the News on 6, there are not any offers on the table.
RAGE- 09-07-2006
The video was 1min and 33 seconds... It was alright... It has butterflies
The Channels Project Flood Questions Addressed
The Channels project proposal presented Wednesday calls for a low-water dam and a 40-acre man-made island in the middle of the Arkansas River between 11th and 21st Streets in Tulsa.
The group that came up with the idea, Tulsa Stakeholders Inc. says the island would create all kinds of new commercial and residential possibilities. But does it create a new flood risk? The News on 6 talked to the hydrologist, Tulsa Stakeholders Inc. hired to study the idea.
Steve Jacoby with the Benham Companies says it's the same sort of dam they built in Oklahoma City and on the Trinity River. He says the gates will be able to tilt down and lie flat on the floor of the river, so that they don't obstruct the river at all. "Now upstream of that, the river channel is relocated by moving it over to the west bank. So basically we're just moving the river if you will. So there is no change for capacity for zero flooding all the way through the overall design spectrum is what we've tried to achieve."
The US Army Corps of Engineers say there still needs to be a lot of study about the plan, including an environmental impact statement. They say that could take years.
Spartan65- 09-07-2006
QUOTE (shane @ September 07, 2006 07:15 pm)
By the way, did anyone else try to watch the Video on the website and just get 1 minute, 33 seconds of the word "imagine" with music in the background?
Yup.
Oh and right after I read the story that said impounding dam, I read another more recent one in the Journal Record that stated it will simply be a linear dam along 21st.
RAGE- 09-07-2006
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The US Army Corps of Engineers say there still needs to be a lot of study about the plan, including an environmental impact statement. They say that could take years.
I want this project to happen but I don't... I want this project because it looks really cool and would totally change the River and how everyone looks at Tulsa... I don’t want it because of the cost of the project and the uncertain amount of support it well have when it’s done...
Is the area still going to smell? It really smell's bad during the Afternoon... Like rotten eggs...
Who is going to pay? Should we charge the whole County of Tulsa or just the city of Tulsa...?
Spartan65- 09-07-2006
Under the plan there would also be a low-water bridge out by 96th, and islands could be created down towards Jenks, Bixby, and even Broken Arrow.
So you tell me who should pay.
RAGE- 09-07-2006
Dang! The county of course... I wonder what the people in Broken Arrow are going to say... That’s were the group came from that is putting up the No River Tax signs...
Spartan65- 09-07-2006
QUOTE (Bonsecour @ September 07, 2006 05:47 pm)
Why build something to utilize the river that will only cut it off from Tulsa? And I know I've been a little quiet in this topic for a while now, but here's my full opinion on this.
Why are you putting all of your tax dollars in one basket? There's East End, Cherry Street, Brookside, and so much else... and $800M for islands in the river?
Would you oppose putting our tax dollars in several baskets?
I might suggest that the plan is that there will also be a low-water dam down by 96th Street and that islands could thus be created in Bixby, Jenks, and Broken Arrow. Sounds like several baskets to me, if somebody else wanted to develop islands down there.
I might also add that THERE IS Vivion 2025 funding already in place for low-water dams and for river improvements. There is no reason we can't merge the projects, add the $15M check from Kaiser, and pick up the rest of the tab and end up with a wonderful urban district.
I'll get to the rest of this very good post later, but here's a quick stab at debate that I'm so glad we can finally get rolling.
RAGE- 09-07-2006
Alright the Funding---
Vision 2025 Two Low Water Dams-- 1 so far is to be placed at 96th 2nd is unknown Zink Lake Beautification--- That’s at 11th street
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Vision 2025 funds will be utilized to construct two low water dams, which along with Zink Lake, will provide a series of lakes in the Arkansas River corridor.
The City was already planning this and it said this when we voted for Vision 2025... There are these Sand Islands that the city built a while back and people go on them and fish all the time... All the city got to do is build the Dams and dump some surface and you got the Island portion taken care off...
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attracting federal money for the dams and other river channel improvements
Maybe we can get some federal money out of this?
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Arkansas River Corridor Master Plan which is being conducted in partnership with the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers and local stakeholders.
Maybe this announcment was planned but we are now just reading the specifics... We already heard the U.S. Army Corp give out there plan... Now local people are sharing theirs...
I say VOTE YES for whatever it takes to get this project started...