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RAGE- 08-31-2006
Tulsa residents will unveil an imaginative plan for development of the Arkansas River.

A bold plan to develop the Arkansas River with self-contained, livable islands will be publicly unveiled next week by six Tulsans.

The development possibilities being proposed by the group begin with the construction of a dam that would create a 10-mile lake and three islands in the river channel that would house a mixture of residential, commercial, hospitality, cultural and public uses.

The major focus of the development would be between the 21st Street and 11th Street bridges.

The group envisions a public-private funding partnership and the creation of a public-private trust to manage the development, much like what Vision 2025 has done.

Although the group would not confirm a projected price tag, sources say it is likely to be $500 million in public funding with $100 million in private funds.

John-Kelly Warren, president of the W.K. Warren Foundation, and his wife, Margie; Tom Cooper; Scott and Chris Lambert; and Rusty Patton have formed a nonprofit group called Tulsa Stakeholders Inc. to lead the river development effort.

Some time ago, the six individuals were sitting around a kitchen table discussing

how Tulsa wasn't doing what it needed to do to be competitive, said Ryan Rex, owner of Rex Public Relations, which is representing the group.

"They decided that instead of just griping and talking about it, they were going to do something about it," Rex said.

Rex said the group started looking at all the possibilities to improve the city.

But after realizing that all the issues crippling Tulsa are just symptoms of a larger issue, the group concluded that the underlying solution is to create a quality of life that attracts and retains young professionals and businesses.

"If you create a quality of life like that, then you can begin to address all those other issues," he said.

Rex said the group wants the process involved with its development proposal to be as transparent as possible with public involvement. He said the group has purposely not solicited developers.

The group has held small, private meetings with public officials in Tulsa and throughout Tulsa County and with some neighborhood leaders to explain the plan. Those attending the meetings were asked to sign a nondisclosure document.

On Wednesday, the group plans to take the proposal public. The time and place will be announced next week.

The public-private partnership will fund the construction of an environment that allows private development to occur, Rex said. The first phase includes an impounding dam under the 21st Street Bridge, reconfiguring the east and west banks of the river, and building the islands and two access roads from the east. The dam will provide about 20 miles of shoreline that can be developed into Sand Springs.

Possible future phases would target development along the west bank.

Among its features, the development would take advantage of natural energy supply sources by using wind power from turbines, electricity from solar panels and hydro power from the dam.

River development expert Bing Thom was commissioned by the group to design a proposal. Rex said Thom stressed that to create such an island neighborhood would require certain percentages of residential, commercial, retail, institutional, educational, culture and public developments.

Bing also has been commissioned by the George Kaiser Family Foundation, which has provided a $10 million grant for Arkansas River public beautification and enhancement projects.

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A local group is proposing a development that would include building a dam to create a lake in the Arkansas River channel and islands with a mixture of cultural and public uses.

Spartan65- 08-31-2006
Wow now that is so cool. When did this pop up?

I wonder if they'll really get half a billion from the towns people though.

RAGE- 08-31-2006
If it goes down to the vote--- I would vote a sure yes on it... That looks so cool building on the Islands like that...

On Wednesday, the group plans to take the proposal public. The time and place will be announced next week.


If they make it open to the public then I will have to make it and get the idea of how it can be paid for...


Spartan65- 08-31-2006
I would really love some close-up renderings...

shane- 08-31-2006
I heard about this rumor a month or so ago on TulsaNow, but I still haven't seen any good renderings or more detailed plans. It is very intriguing though.

Spartan65- 08-31-2006
They've posted millions of reasons why it won't work, but who's to say that this group hasn't planned this all out, and that if they have a proposal, that it's atleast not a naive proposal?

Surely there's more behind the scenes than a simple paper story.

RAGE- 08-31-2006
There is a lot behind this... Looking at that rendering, why would some people waste there money and go this far...

$100 million in private funding that’s a lot... The Dam they want to build, Vision 2025 money is available for that... They are going to build 2 dams and 1 is at 96th riverside, the other won--- Well this might be the location...



Spartan65- 08-31-2006
I blew the pic up...

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RAGE- 08-31-2006
Looks really good... Look at the building on the first Island Glass and twisted a little bit...


Spartan65- 08-31-2006
Too blury for me to see anything.

shane- 09-03-2006
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This is new from the World today.

Apparently some people on Tulsa Now feel that these graphics are made by Tulsa World and might not really have anything to do with the actual plans for the islands.

Spartan65- 09-03-2006
If they did design it themselves then they aren't very imaginative...

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River Proposal: Corps sees possibility
By P.J. LASSEK World Staff Writer
9/3/2006

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Anything can be engineered to work, it just depends on whether enough money is available, a local official of the Army Corps of Engineers said.

A group proposing the development of self-contained, livable islands in the Arkansas River presented the idea to local corps officials last week.

"The corps thinks it is an aggressive and innovative project, and we're looking forward to learning more about the technical details," said Cynthia Kitchens, a project manager in the corps' Tulsa District.

"We do see some major hurdles, but so do they," she said.

Tulsa Stakeholders Inc., a nonprofit group founded by six Tulsans, will unveil its proposal to the public Wednesday.

The development would begin with a dam under the 21st Street Bridge that would create a 10-mile lake stretching north into Sand Springs, opening up 20 miles of shoreline that could be developed.

The focus of the project are three linked islands that would have a mixture of entertainment, housing, commercial, hospitality, cultural and public uses. The islands would be placed between the 21st Street and 11th Street bridges.

Kitchens said the corps' main goal is to protect lives and property by reducing flood damage.



So when development of the river is considered, the objective is to keep the river within the 100-year flood plain by not increasing its flow levels, she said.

The corps also wants to ensure that nothing will jeopardize the integrity of any levee systems on the river.

Kitchens said there are several creative engineering solutions, provided funding is available, that can mitigate flood flow levels when dealing with developments.

San Antonio built tunnels to carry away floodwaters, she said.

The Tulsa project has channels that "will help maintain the same flood flow elevations on the river," she said.

"You can engineer anything to make it work. It's just a matter of whether it can be implemented," she said.

The corps had to open Keystone Dam's floodgates to their maximums in 1986 to lower Keystone Lake and accommodate massive water flows caused by heavy rains upriver. The flood damage in Tulsa County alone was estimated at $63.9 million.

Kitchens said that with the right engineering, dam construction to create lakes on the river would not cause a flood threat.

On the Arkansas River Master Plan, the corps recommends low-water dams between 7 and 9 feet tall, which would create a five-mile lake, because hydraulics and hydrology models indicated that was as high as the dams could be without affecting the flows on the levee during floods.

Kitchens said she learned Friday that Tulsa Stakeholders has been running its technical data through the corps' hydraulics and hydrology model for the river, "and it has potential to be sound. Now, we haven't looked at the data, so we don't know."

Kitchens said the group also has been working with someone in Washington on the requirements to get a corps "404 permit." The permit, which has environmental and engineering mandates, is necessary for the project to proceed.

"This isn't our call, whether this project goes or not. All we do is tell them what is required," Kitchens said.

Work on the river, whether it is building a dam or dredging the bed, can be done by the private sector with the proper permits, she said.

Besides the construction of the impounding dam and islands, the project proposes the hardening and reconfiguring of the banks and some dredging.

Kitchens said corps officials would assess different scenarios to see what benefits might be possible by combining the Tulsa Stakeholders project with the Arkansas River Master Plan or whether it would be best to do them separately.

The George Kaiser Family Foundation also is offering a $10 million grant for Arkansas River public beautification and enhancement projects.

Tulsa Stakeholders has said it wants a public-private partnership to help fund the project and will create a public-private trust to manage the development possibilities for the islands.

The project also would take advantage of natural energy supply sources, such as wind power from turbines, electricity from solar panels and hydro-power from the dam.

Also proposed are harvesting of rainwater, a high-tech recycling wastewater treatment plant and water conservation systems.

A future development phase targets the river's west bank.

River roundup
Tulsa Stakeholders Inc., a nonprofit group founded by six Tulsans to lead Arkansas River development, will unveil a proposal Wednesday.

The plan includes a dam under the 21st Street Bridge that would create a 10-mile lake stretching north into Sand Springs with 20 miles of shoreline that could be developed.

Three linked islands sitting between the 21st and 11th street bridges also would be created to house a mixture of entertainment, housing, commercial, hospitality, cultural and public uses.

A future development phase targets development along the river’s west bank.


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When the guy from Bing Thom said he was going to try and change things, I didn't expect islands. And what exactly do they plan to do about the refineries?

RAGE- 09-04-2006
The photo was done by these 2 guys-- Photo by TOM GILBERT / Tulsa World; Illustration by DAVID CARMAN / Tulsa World

Maybe they drew it to get a image of what can be done on the Islands...

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Tulsa Stakeholders Inc., a nonprofit group founded by six Tulsans, will unveil its proposal to the public Wednesday.


On Wednesday they will tell the people what exactly they are doing...

shane- 09-04-2006
Tulsa World will be really embarassed if they made all these renderings and predictions and none of them were right.

Spartan65- 09-04-2006
I guess that's where it pays to have little imagination.

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